Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:11:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from a.mail.sonic.net ([64.142.16.245]) by glockenspiel.complete.org with esmtps (with TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA:24) (No TLS peer certificate) (Exim 4.50) id 1E4Mxg-0001Y4-Ro for gopher@complete.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:11:59 -0500 Received: from webmail.sonic.net (a.webmail.sonic.net [64.142.100.132]) by a.mail.sonic.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j7EIBpjc025707 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:11:51 -0700 Received: from 67.180.25.11 (SquirrelMail authenticated user tcopley) by webmail.sonic.net with HTTP; Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <15295.67.180.25.11.1124043111.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> In-Reply-To: <20050813151309.GB16199@katherina.lan.complete.org> References: <42FCEC9D.5040201@route-add.net> <20050813044356.GH8640@pongonova.net> <20050813151309.GB16199@katherina.lan.complete.org> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [gopher] Re: basic newb info From: "Tom Copley" To: gopher@complete.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Spam-Status: No (score 1.8): AWL=1.791 X-Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 14 Aug 2005 13:11:59 -0500 X-archive-position: 1072 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: gopher-bounce@complete.org Errors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org X-original-sender: tcopley@sonic.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: gopher@complete.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: Gopher X-List-ID: Gopher List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: gopher > We probably ought to have a FAQ/Wiki or something about this. > > -- John, This is an excellent idea. I recently joined this mailing list, but have been seriously thinking about doing something like a world of gopherspace wiki. I've browsed some of the material on complete.org, and realize that you've gone to very great lengths to open up information about what many (who even know about it today) regard as essentially a dead medium. I buy into the argument that gopher can make a comeback as a completely non-commercial medium for information without the popups and over-bloated, gratuitous eye-candy of the WWWeb--or, in the immortal words of Sargent Joe Friday of TV's _Dragnet_, "Just the facts, ma'am." . Starting in January of 1994, I taught an online workshop called the "Go-pher-it Workshop" which introduced many thousands of librarians, educators and students to the WWG (wonderful world of gopher). See . It's very funny to go back and read over the ad for this workshop, because so much of it sounds anachronic and gopher-hypish. In 1994 some of us naively believed that gopher literally could become a furry terror and conquer the world. Our hopes were completely dashed on the rocks though almost before the end of the year. By yearend of 1994 Lynx (aptly named as a predator) was already gaining considerable ground on the gopher clients as it could browse both gopher and web servers. The alpha releases of Mosaic 2.0 were picking up speed throughout that year as HTML forms, tables and many other innovations were added. By 1995 it was all over for the lovable furry varmint except the swan song. From the standpoint of gopher, the advent of the Web was really a sickening sight to behold. However, it was an exciting time to be in. It was quite obvious even at the time that the WWW was going to completely reshape the world of online media. I am considering reworking and updating my old Go-pher-it Workshop material and using it to seed a gopherspace wiki. The effort would be non-commercial with the intent of placing the information in the public domain. I'd anticipate that by doing so it will build at least a little interest in the post-WWW gopherspace of 2005. While I greatly admire the efforts of those who have struggled to keep the gopher spirit alive, I feel in today's gopherspace that I am just staggering around in the ruins of a city after an atomic blast. However, I look forward to gopherspace's eventual resurrection as a lean, mean information environment completely free of gratuitous insults to intelligence. Gopherspace wiki--good idea or bad? Or, is it better to leave sleeping dogs lie? How do you feel about it? I'm really trying to decide in my heart if I want to do this--it could be a lot of work. Feel free to email me off list. Whew! That was a lot, eh? I beg the indulgence of those of you are just here for technical info about gopher. Tom -- Tom Copley tcopley@sonic.net