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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:59:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: JumpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com>
Subject: [gopher] Re: Trying to add a link to jumpjet site
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1) Yes, you are absolutely correct, Web browsers do NOT make the best Gopher browsers.
   
  2) Yes, you are also correct, there are many reasons NOT to operate a Gopher server on port 70.  
   
  Please again review exactly what I wrote... and you may see that I was not trying to make any statement suggesting that Web browsers are superior (they aren't); nor was I trying to suggest that port 70 is the only port that is appropriate to operate a Gopher server on (it isn't).  
   
  I think perhaps that my use of the words "public Internet network access" was a source of confusion.  I think also that the way I stated my observations made it easy to misconstrue it as propsing a "rule".  Please then, allow me to apologize for any consternation I may have caused, and allow me to clarify my previous statements:
   
  First let me make clear that I believe that port selection IS both appropriate and desirable.  The problem as I see it is that some programers of both server and client software have for whatever reason ALREADY WRITTEN software that does NOT allow the software user to change ports.  Anyone using this software is forced to use only port 70 whether they want to or not.  Yes, knowlegeable individuals can say no to using these restrictive servers and clients, but that does not change the fact that such software exists and is being used by a sizeable percentage of the human population.  
   
  I also do not suggest that MSIE, or any other multi-protocol browser for that matter, is supperior to a modern dedicated Gopher browser.  Dedicated "anything" is always theoretically superior.  What I am suggesting however is that the most likely client to attempt to access a GOPHER SERVER ATTACHED TO THE INTERNET NETWORK that is INTENDED FOR GENERAL PUBLIC ACCESS, will more than likely not be able to access the site if it is not operating on port 70.  
   
  This then was the only point I was trying to make:
  -IF- one wants to expose their Gopher Protocol server to the highest percentage of Internet surfers, then at this point in history their server should be set to port 70.  
   
  
Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
  On Wed, 31 May 2006 20:57:40 -0700 (PDT)
JumpJet Mailbox wrote:
> Yes, JumpJet uses port 70 (and make sure your firewall allows port 70 access, as some brands of router close this and several other less common ports by default).
> 
> Please note that I believe ALL Gopher sites intended for public Internet network access in the new millenium should use port 70. My reasoning is that although most (but not all) dedicated Gopher browsers can use any port, most Web browsers are hardcoded to expect Gopher on port 70. Microsoft Internet Explorer for example, which is the client most likely to be used to access an Internet Gopher site in 2006, ONLY recognizes Gopher on port 70 (you cannot even force another port)! 

I think I'd like to disgree and point out web browsers dont make the best gopher browsers as we know. There are many many gophers _not_ on port 70 and many reasons to do so. I dont feel we should make some "rule" such as this (which doesn't exist now) especially on behalf of M$ IE. Gopher protocol does not limit anyone to port 70 lets not try and change that.

Chris

> 
> FYI: by default, MS Internet Explorer has Gopher access deactivated. To reactivate the software to access Gopher, you must create a new Windows Registry Key in the location: 
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings
> 
> The Key should be a dword: 00000001, and it should be exactly written as: 
> EnableGopher
> 
> Eric Newberry wrote:
> Thank you!
> 
> Eric
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alessandro Selli" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 9:41 PM
> Subject: [gopher] Re: Trying to add a link to jumpjet site
> 
> 
> > Eric Newberry wrote:
> > > I am trying to add a link to the jumpjet gopher site from my gopher
> site.
> > > What is its port? Is it standard port 70?
> >
> > Yes, it is: both gopher://home.jumpjet.info/ and
> > gopher://home.jumpjet.info:70/ yeld the same gopher menu to me.
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > Alessandro Selli
> > Tel: 340.839.73.05
> > http://alessandro.route-add.net
> >
> >
> >
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