Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:13:44 -0500
From: Chris <chris@hal3000.cx>
To: gopher@complete.org
Subject: [gopher] Re: Mozilla bugs about Gopher, and a dangerous one
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Or lynks, links, GET, gopher, Opera + squid,
moasaic, mmosaic, netscape 4.73, mozilla4, Older Curl's,
etc... but my point was with firefox and hence Mozilla.
Why would I use that browser when it doesnt follow the Gopher protocols and does not allow ports other than 70 to be viewed and further wrongly misdirects ports other than 70 back to 70?
Not only for search engines but any gopherspace with a port other than 70, this is wrong and discouraging, thats why I dont use moz anymore.
I use a variety of other clients to browse gopherspace, either in line mode or from console or if I happen to be in a gui there too.
Chris


On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 18:23:13 -0700 (PDT)
JumpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you need a basic Gopher handler (Client), there are several available to Web users at:
>   http://home.jumpjet.info/metalrat/6/clients.htm
>   
> Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:
>   Well, yes, I see your point and perhaps I am only thinking of "me"
> being somewhat selfish and prefering to have external handlers, I dont like the kitchen sink approach but do understand that it's not for everyone.
> I am getting frustrated though, this has been like this too long with moz, first they will fix it then not on and on...
> I just don't use it anymore.
> C
> 
> 
> n Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT)
> Cameron Kaiser wrote:
> 
> > > As for having the search engines stick to port 70.
> > > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem .
> > 
> > I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact,
> > it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been
> > mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347.
> > 
> > > And that brings me back to... why? because Moz/Firefox is broken?
> > > I understand you feel most people will be using Firefox. I also feel it
> > > should be fixed, or drop gopher from it's core and have the option to open
> > > lynx when a gopher:// address is used. Such as gopher has an option for a
> > > web page. below is what shows up when going to an html page from gopher:
> > 
> > I think this was reasonable only in that specific situation, however. The
> > gopher clients were never intended as multi-protocol systems, and it made
> > good sense to spawn external handlers.
> > 
> > However, this is no longer the case as most web browsers handle the kitchen
> > sink (as in "everything but the"). You still have browsers minimally handling
> > FTP as a secondary protocol, for example, and people now expect a unified
> > Swiss-Army knife solution. There are also lots of Windows users who don't
> > have a secondary client.
> > 
> > Besides, the argument that it's broken and should be fixed or removed,
> > frankly, applies just as well to HTML. Mozilla-core is less broken than
> > Internet Explorer, but it still has its deficiencies :)
> > 
> > If we lose Mozilla-core support for gopher, this will be a serious blow to
> > the community. I certainly intend to maintain the HTTP<->Gopher proxy, which
> > is very popular, but it robs casual users of an easy path to browse Gopher if
> > support were eroded further by forcing them to do more to get it.
> > 
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