Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:25:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hal3000.cx ([69.217.43.23] ident=root) by glockenspiel.complete.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) id 1HdHqW-0007zi-Lh for gopher@complete.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:25:41 -0500 Received: from work1.hal3000.cx (work1.hal3000.cx [10.0.0.2]) by hal3000.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11261 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:03:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from chris@hal3000.cx) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:00:43 -0500 From: Chris To: gopher@complete.org Subject: [gopher] Re: Mozilla bugs about Gopher, and a dangerous one Message-Id: <20070415220043.58eb7cbb@work1.hal3000.cx> In-Reply-To: <780099.43138.qm@web35514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <200704111606.l3BG6noo010418@floodgap.com> <780099.43138.qm@web35514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.9) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No (score 0.1): AWL=0.058 X-Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Sun, 15 Apr 2007 22:25:41 -0500 X-archive-position: 1575 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: gopher-bounce@complete.org Errors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org X-original-sender: chris@hal3000.cx Precedence: bulk Reply-to: gopher@complete.org List-help: List-unsubscribe: List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: Gopher X-List-ID: Gopher List-subscribe: List-owner: List-post: List-archive: X-list: gopher Actually Veronica is not dead, it's alive and well, right on the port it was intended to be on. It's port is quite appropriate for any millenium, any web browser which can't handle ports is frankly past broken. How Moz acts, with it redirecting the client to a different site while keeping the port looking as if it's where it should be is quite unacceptable. Historically speaking it is un-questionably proper as it is. For the new millenium, why would you not allow the ports be used as they always had? Veronica-2 is very nice, and is a valid tool, just as is Veronica. Chris On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:15:49 -0700 (PDT) JumpJet Mailbox wrote: > I disagree with your reasoning about port 2347. Veronica is DEAD. I feel that doesn't matter what Veronica once did or did not do. A revived Veronica, Veronica-2, or any other future Veronica version should now run on whatever port is the MOST APPROPRIATE FOR THE NEW MILLENIUM. > > In the 10 or so years that there has not been a Veronica, the world has moved on. We now know what works best, and what should have been done differently. Here is a unique opportunity to do it correctly, and fix our mistakes (if mistakes they indeed were). If it happens to be port 2347, great. If its port 70, thats great too. If its some other port entirely, thats Ok as well. What is most important is that the port chosen is THE BEST PORT FOR THE JOB. > > V-2 works great for me on its current port 70. I know that much of the software currently available (be it a modern Web Browser, or ancient legacy Gopher Client) has trouble if Gopher is not on Port 70. Perhaps port 70 IS the best port for a Veronica??? > > Cameron Kaiser wrote: > > As for having the search engines stick to port 70. > > First I disagree, thats not a gopher problem its a moz problem . > > I agree with this also. :2347 was always the standard Veronica port. In fact, > it's non-standard of *me* to run V-2 on the regular port and I've even been > mulling over putting a mirror onto port 2347. > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. > > > -- Join FSF as an Associate Member at: