Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:35:00 -0600
From: Chris <chris@hal3000.cx>
To: gopher@complete.org
Subject: [gopher] Re: BRING THE GOPHER BACK
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On Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:32:00 -0800 (PST)
JumpJet Mailbox <jumpjetinfo@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You may find most of what you are seeking already on Gopher Jewels 2
>   gopher://home.jumpjet.info/11\Gopher_Jewels_2
>    
>   As far as Gopher dying/rising...
>   Educational/Government sources are dying,
>   Other sources are stable.
>    
>   A quick look over GJ2 will show that the real problem with Gopher is the lack of content originating on Gopher.  Most of the rarely appearing "new" content is really just feeds from an HTTP (Web) source.

I might point out that some are from ftp sources and that really if the info is available only from HTTP then to grab it there and put it onto gopher doesnt make it invalid in gopher. Information is information protocols are ways to diseminate it via the particular server.
From whence it came originally shouldn't be our focus IMO, rather that it is there. So along that line what does anyone want? For me I put what I need and want and added things others asked for, but then to feel well, I can get this on the web anyhow, your missing one point in that the overhead when viewed in gopher is far less than a web page. Also
if your seeking more new gopher only info, you would have to have a greater or more interested gopher community and thats really what one would need to make some great gopher "come back". These threads and discusions are doing that or at least occasionally testing the waters of a need. Do we need gopher? Need? ... no we don't need anything other than food water and shelter (shelter optional), do we want gopher?
I do, I like it's simplicity, so I have gopher servers and all that goes with that. If you build it they will come, or will they? 
It was said we need IRC we have that as you stated,
we also have a talker
telnet hal3000.cx 7000
we have a MUD too
telnet hal3000.cx 4000
The thing is the community is small so the content is limited, and past that everything else either all ready is there or could be if it was wanted.
With that said I myself haven't had the time since early summer to do much but I hope to have more time available for more content larger server hd space and some new features.
Ohh and scripts for weather and such are simple cron jobs to ftp or 
lynx -dump, fetch, curl or a bash script which does. Maybe just more generic scripting examples would be wanted? Or does someone have a specific question about how to do something?
Happy gophering 
Chris


>    
>   If Gopher is to expand, then the ORIGINAL source of the content has to reside on a Gopher server (i.e., like the content originating on JumpJet gopher://home.jumpjet.info).  Heck, I can't even get regular Gopher uses to report broken links or suggest new content for GJ2!!!  Come on people, post your holiday photos, post your class notes, post a recording of your garage band, post your grandmas bunt cake recipe... Just post "something" on your Gopher Server... Anything!!!!
>    
>   
> Pawel <pawelsz@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>   Hello Gopher hackers !
> 
> Why not try to bring the Gopher back ?
> I have few ideas how to incarse popularity of GOPHER.
> 
> 1. Newsletter
> 
> There should be some monthly Gopher newsletter avalible. Newsletter is a 
> great way to build community coz it can bring new users into Gopherspace 
> and its great way to leave a sign of GOPHER for next generations ;)
> Sample newsletter could contain:
> 1. Quick overview of current GOPHER scene events
> 2. Inforamtion about new GOPHER software
> 3. Information abour new GOPHER services
> 4. Intresting GOPHER pages
> etc.
> 
> 2. More statistics.
> There should be much more statistics avalible about Gopherspace.
> With that info we could SEE how GOPHER is dying or rising.
> 
> Usefull info are in example:
> 1. How much unique IP'shave used Veronica
> 2. How much gopher:// servers are avalible (aka netcraft.com)
> etc.
> 
> 3. More software
> We should make more software. Not only GOPHER servers (witch require high 
> programming skills) but also typical usefull every-day scripts for 
> Gopherspace. In example:
> 1. Slashdot rss news to gopher
> 2. All world weather service scripts
> 3. html to Gopher .list generator
> etc.
> 
> 4. More *unique* contents. In example:
> 1. Legal mp3 music (or *illegal* if server will be in Sweden)
> 2. P0rn... (yes its non ethical but the true is that "The internet
> is for p0rn"
> 3. Unique legal software (0day exploits in example). Linking such
> software only with gopher:// will force peoples to use GOPHER :)
> 4. Non always ethical (but legal !) things removed from internet
> via censorship. (political manifests of Osama Bin Ladin in
> example)
> 5. Torrents are small and legal to host in most normal countries.
> 
> 5. HACKING
> Various hardcore hacking experiments like:
> 
> 0. MUST HAVE: Read only English wikipedia
> 1. JavaME GOPHER server for mobile phones
> 2. Gopher based p2p network ;)
> 
> 6. Better communication
> There should be some offical IRC channel
> 
> 7. Marketing
> Email singatures, forum signatures, usenet signatures, warez .nfo
> signatures refering to gopher://. We could even make some "dirty"
> marketing like *mistakenly* irc channel message (not spamming !):
> 
> > pawelsz: /mgs Mike I have found that 0day linux exploit thru
> veronica search engine: gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/
> 
> > pawelsz: ohh sorry everyone that should be /msg (insted of
> /mgs) for Mike ! move along noting to see here.
> 
> That info should intrested some peoples. Other dirty way is http
> referrer spoofing to get better indexing by google. In theory is
> totally legal. But it can be un ethical ;)
> 
> 
> 
> I know that some of ideas are NOT ethical - but they are just ideas so plz 
> dont be mad :D
> Of course its easy to write what others should do - but dont be fooled,
> right now im writing "Slashdot rss to gopher script" and i could (with 
> some help of native english speaker) make the monthly GOPHER newsletter.
> 
> 
> have a nice day :)
> 
> 
> 
> gopher://sdf.lonestar.org/11/users/pawelsz/
> "I do not fear computers. I fear lack of them." Isaac Asimov
> 
> 
> 
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