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On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 02:46:12PM -0500, Brian wrote: > On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 03:15:47PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > Additionally, there is the debut of a major new feature: the WAP protocol. > > So do you all think this could be the niche that will bring gopher > back to popularity again?

I'm not sure, but it sure would be nice. It occured to me after I got a phone that supports WAP -- and I thought it would be really neat to see. It turns out to work very nicely. The fact that Gopher keeps everything simple, and has a well-defined metadata set, means that it turns have a new niche that I don't think anyone saw coming: as a base for other layers on top of it.

While we're on the subject, I should describe what I've been experimenting on with PyGopherd lately.

I currently have my Gopher site at quux.org, and my Web site at complete.org. The Web site runs under Zope, which I have been attempting to get rid of for ages. Plus, I'd like for more of its content to be available under Gopher, while still having a nice look for Web visitors. (Nicer than PyGopherd currently generates).

Putting more of it under Gopher would provide some other benefits, too: such as a nice hierarchical organization for free, plus WAP access for free.

So I decided that I would experiment with adding a TAL (aka ZPT or Zope Page Templates) handler to PyGopherd. It turns out that this approach is amazingly powerful. We may just have stumbled on a new web publishing system by accident here :-) I'm going to be spending some time in the next few days experimenting with the system.

It took only 67 lines of code in a single file to implement this in PyGopherd and can be completely disabled for those that have no need for it.

-- John