Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:56:56 -0600 (CST) Received: from relay.peterstar.ru ([217.195.65.5]) by glockenspiel.complete.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Etv5H-0001FA-4p for gopher@complete.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:56:55 -0600 Received: from home (dialup1-38.Pskov.PeterStar.net [82.140.121.38] (may be forged)) by relay.peterstar.ru (8.13.5/8.11.4) with ESMTP id k03MuZO7043161 for <gopher@complete.org>; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:56:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from rp@localhost) by home (8.8.7/8.8.7) id BAA14445 for gopher@complete.org; Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:55:35 +0300 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 01:55:34 +0300 From: "R.A.Pavlov" <webmaster@ankylym.ru> To: gopher@complete.org Subject: [gopher] Re: PyGopherd and Gopher+ Message-ID: <20060104015534.I421@freeshell.org> Mail-Followup-To: gopher@complete.org References: <20051231155642.GA9489@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <20051231164643.GB28740@katherina.lan.complete.org> <20051231173023.GA2684@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <op.s2pefzakvbderv@wybotnnas01-pool0-a14.wybotn.tds.net> <20060101165144.GA2143@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <op.s2qt03v8vbderv@wybotnnas01-pool0-a61.wybotn.tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <op.s2qt03v8vbderv@wybotnnas01-pool0-a61.wybotn.tds.net>; from geph@nerdshack.com on Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 03:01:41AM -0600 X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Formal (309/051227) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Detect Hard No RBL (4/030526) X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: SysLog X-SpamTest-Info: Profile: Marking Spam - Subject (2/030321) X-SpamTest-Status: Not detected X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 2.1.1 [0150], SpamtestISP/Release X-Spam-Status: No (score 0.3): AWL=-0.254, WEIRD_PORT=0.507 X-Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Tue, 03 Jan 2006 16:56:55 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 1221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: gopher-bounce@complete.org Errors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org X-original-sender: webmaster@ankylym.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: gopher@complete.org List-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help> List-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe> List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org> X-List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org> List-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe> List-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org> List-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org> List-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/> X-list: gopher

> A menu would look similar to this, > > "1This points to a gopher > menu%09/selector%09host%09port%09size%09mimetype". > Where %09 is a hex-encoded tab.

I would also add encoding for text files and directory listings. Current servers and clients have so much bugs with Cyrillic and 8-bit chars in general.

> 2) I think new itemtypes should be reserved for file and text uploads. > The type of upload allowed could be defined in a new tabspace, 0 for > textfiles, 4 for binhex, 5 for DOS binary, you get the idea. I'm > envisioning things like ftp gateways and bulletin board systems.

New item types are a compatibility problem, maybe existing types could be extended instead (e.g. in a way similar to described in my previous post about GN)? If it's really needed: In fact gopher bboards and guestbooks are pretty well made with just sending email and parsing it on server with procmail or other script. See example of a bboard-like thing gopher://sdf.lonestar.org/1/users/yargo/glog I have also set up a gopher guestbook here: gopher://www.polarhome.com:27070/0/guestbook

> These things may already be possible with gopher+, but to loosely quote > the RFC1436, intelligence should be held by the server, and should not be > required of the client. Things like +VIEWS usually require intelligence > on the part of the USER, who may or may not know whether he wants to > download a file in plaintext or postscript format. Essentially, I would > like to streamline the important features of gopher+ to a single network > connection and keep the syntax respectful of the original gopher protocol. > > -- > Jeff > >

-- Yours, etc. Roman A. Pavlov

gopher://sdf.lonestar.org/1/users/rp