Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:20:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by glockenspiel.complete.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EueP4-0001PF-6O for gopher@complete.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:20:20 -0600 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org [192.94.73.1]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k05NJt3i025945 for <gopher@complete.org>; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 23:19:55 GMT Received: (from newmanbe@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.13.1/8.12.8/Submit) id k05NJtoC007744 for gopher@complete.org; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:19:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2006 17:19:55 -0600 From: Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> To: gopher@complete.org Subject: [gopher] Re: Need for protocol changey Message-ID: <20060105231955.GA27530@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> References: <20060104230913.GA28833@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG> <op.s2wpmtl8vbderv@wybotnnas01-pool0-a247.wybotn.tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <op.s2wpmtl8vbderv@wybotnnas01-pool0-a247.wybotn.tds.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Status: No (score 0.2): AWL=0.106, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 X-Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Thu, 05 Jan 2006 17:20:20 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 1238 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: gopher-bounce@complete.org Errors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org X-original-sender: newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: gopher@complete.org List-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help> List-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe> List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org> X-List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org> List-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe> List-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org> List-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org> List-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/> X-list: gopher

On Thu, Jan 05, 2006 at 07:12:19AM -0600, Jeff wrote: > On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 17:09:13 -0600, Benn Newman > <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote: > > > I have heard a lot of suggestions of changes to Gopher; my question is, > > why? > > To address the failings of gopher+. Why are you opposed (if you are)? You say there are failings of Gopher+, okay, fine. But what are we actually trying to do by making changes to the protocol. How does Gopher benefit from having MIME types being so integrated? As John pointed out a Tar-gziped file could have any of number of MIME types but you can always use extensions. I know that .tar.gz or .tgz means a gziped-tar file. If I want to know a file size, there are perfectly good ways to do so in Gopher+ and in Gopher even. File sizes can be a part of the selectors info text ex: 0Super cool book (book.tgz 4kb)\tboot.tgz\tumn.edu\t7070

Feel free to convince me that protocol changes are needed, I haven't stopped listening yet. *grin* -- Benn Newman | newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org | gopher://igneous-rock.homeunix.net Wisconsin Association of Gopher Operators Learn about the Gopher Project: http://gopher.quux.org/Software/Gopher

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