Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:19:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.230]) by glockenspiel.complete.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) id 1HdKZ4-00025J-Ej for gopher@complete.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:19:51 -0500 Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i11so2748281nzi for <gopher@complete.org>; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:19:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ixrLauiL80Cn0eyt89zPbuTbDOX6Om0OalBw9YFfZRcCXgINsAdcp00Jm9dB3BXoetqhpierWtCBw0XIkT8QxMsBbAzOYBpcoFdtbsoE6VhR3xD6aYjtnAlxA2V+Z28QihO+/iEN1fbBLAqTbudSRjMfAGsz/kIvzveDzo9rwgM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=RgQaJ4YKWC2/bzYmOYQ9x+l6DPadGMoGCyHpBfeDkUJY1DKNHiiQbreHBX3Gcu2Yhvq9RhfgywBhFKmnJkGn6L2mBMaRrgc/jKT2fBw+IimPu8v99dMoIyAy1szEZWMFgFOJvu/0xh87XWfEvhGRTUaGD02TGdPMCQI4AlUSvIE= Received: by 10.115.88.1 with SMTP id q1mr1771880wal.1176704388078; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.7 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Apr 2007 23:19:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <f705f7020704152319w5a5386bbr4417b52f98aae8a9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 08:19:48 +0200 From: Stegozor <stegozor@gmail.com> To: gopher@complete.org Subject: [gopher] Re: Jugtail formerly Jughead In-Reply-To: <20070409222526.6c25081b@work1.hal3000.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20070409222526.6c25081b@work1.hal3000.cx> X-Spam-Status: No (score 0.0): none X-Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Mon, 16 Apr 2007 01:19:51 -0500 X-archive-position: 1588 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: gopher-bounce@complete.org Errors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org X-original-sender: stegozor@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: gopher@complete.org List-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help> List-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe> List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org> X-List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org> List-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe> List-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org> List-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org> List-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/> X-list: gopher

On 4/10/07, Chris <chris@hal3000.cx> wrote:

> I would like to announce Jugtail, some of you have no doubt noticed it on: > http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Gopher/

:) Don't forget to add your sites if they're not already listed, and also send me a copy via e-mail. Since the big crash, it's better to double check such things.

> To my suprise Mr Stallman ask for Jonzys email address and just like that > emailed him (I was delighted to be cc'd). How neat, for here was two people > I really do consider hero's of mine discussing things like emacs and gcc and > jughead and all :)

This man is definitely crazy. When I had switched to Ubuntu I sent him a mail telling something like "thanks to what you did I can use Linux today. One more switcher. We need crazy guys like you, you must have been pretty alone when you started GNU but things changed a lot since. Keep up the good work." All this with the result of vrms.

Two days later, guess what, he replied!. He explained that even I was close, I wasn't free yet (some proprietary packages in Ubuntu). He also explained why it was more fair to use GNU/Linux instead of Linux (I always write GNU/Linux since). All this just for a user he never heard about before, and all this in French!!! :)

Well, right now I'm under Windows Millennium again (a printer driver issue, it killed synaptic and I'm a little bit lazy to reinstall & repartition the whole thing, but gonna do it one day).

> As it was, it took a long time and alot of work, waiting and effort by > people working behind the scenes, all of us unaware (myself included as my > only involvment was to occasionally pester and ask if it was "done yet?"). > And now its preserved and free and now no matter what for ever salvaged from > being lost. I think thats just great! > > Thanks Jonzy! > Thanks Mr Stallman!

And thanks Chris! Also thanks for having posted the story of Jugtail. The problem is that it gives ideas for Veronica and Archie as well...

> Veronica is next? > Perhaps we could in addition to saving such software as this, move to get it > under the GPL. This way it would be further saved, I am refering to all the > wonderful old software we collect.

I love the idea. If you have the mail of the coauthor of Veronica, maybe this could be a beginning. I googled a little bit but couldn't find the mail of phone of Fred Barrie either. Also, what about Archie? Have a look at http://archie.icm.edu.pl/archie_eng.html ... Wikipedia tells that there's no archie left, maybe this one is the last of the Mohicans. Unless...