Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list gopher); Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:36:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com ([24.24.2.58]) by glockenspiel.complete.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) id 1JHBoU-0007xJ-9h for gopher@complete.org; Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:36:49 -0600 Received: from YTHERIX (cpe-69-205-146-123.stny.res.rr.com [69.205.146.123]) by ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id m0M5abBX015006 for <gopher@complete.org>; Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:36:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <06e201c85cb8$c198e5e0$6901a8c0@YTHERIX> From: "Trevor" <greendragon@stny.rr.com> To: <gopher@complete.org> References: <4295158.1200924389492.JavaMail.root@ps30> Subject: [gopher] Re: Strategy: end of Gopher in Mozilla Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:35:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080121-0, 01/21/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Status: No (score 0.0): AWL=0.000 X-Virus-Scanned: by Exiscan on glockenspiel.complete.org at Mon, 21 Jan 2008 23:36:49 -0600 X-archive-position: 1811 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: gopher-bounce@complete.org Errors-to: gopher-bounce@complete.org X-original-sender: greendragon@stny.rr.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: gopher@complete.org List-help: <mailto:ecartis@complete.org?Subject=help> List-unsubscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=unsubscribe> List-software: Ecartis version 1.0.0 List-Id: Gopher <gopher.complete.org> X-List-ID: Gopher <gopher.complete.org> List-subscribe: <mailto:gopher-request@complete.org?Subject=subscribe> List-owner: <mailto:jgoerzen@complete.org> List-post: <mailto:gopher@complete.org> List-archive: <http://www.complete.org/mailinglists/archives/> X-list: gopher

i'd just like to interject this project i've been working on. holedweller.

http://gopherstuff.googlepages.com/home

----- Original Message ----- From: <mdbird@lineone.net> To: <gopher@complete.org> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: [gopher] Re: Strategy: end of Gopher in Mozilla

>I am not sure I am a typical Gopher user there may be no such thing but=20 > I thought I would give my views on the future strategy. > > I started using Gopher three years ago as a way of challenging=20 > students on my Networking course who had their own web servers at home=20 > and thought they knew everything about network servers. > > Obviously Gopher is an exotic and certainly is not a preparation for=20 > the future and I have been subject to snide comments from colleagues=20 > about teaching outdated technologies. > > But I cite two main reasons for persisting with Gopher servers. > > On lower level courses I use GopherS on Windows XP as my Gopher=20 > Server. > This introduces the students to the concept of services run by the=20 > operating system and the notion of servers using different ports. Also=20 > by using a range of client software from Lynx, Hgopher, WSgopher,=20 > Firefox and even patched IE 6. > I can clearly demonstrate that how a client interaction with the same=20 > server software can produce vastly differing results depending on the=20 > features of the client software. The students are genuinely intrigued=20 > to find out that there are other ways of serving web pages and=20 > concealing a website within a Gopher server. This is where Firefox=20 > stands head and shoulders above the other clients it is very capable=20 > delivering a diverse range of file types from Gopher servers. Whereas=20 > older clients just spew out HTML code from Gopher servers. For my=20 > students a simple fully featured client that deals with web pages is a=20 > must to gain their acceptance of Gopher. In the long term the community=20 > must ensure that such clients will continue to be available to those=20 > that will follow on after us. Lynx, Hgopher and WSgopher just > don=E2=80=99t= > cut=20 > it as far as my students are concerned. > > On higher level courses I use Bucktooth on Ubuntu Linux as my Gopher=20 > Server. > This introduces students to the concept of daemons (inetd and xinetd)=20 > TCP/IP services and wrappers. Bucktooth is a fine example of the power=20 > of PERL and its installation scripts are an effective simple=20 > demonstration of how PEARL scripts should work. > > For me Gopher provides a different and interesting way of showing how=20 > things really work rather than just using the safe sanitised offerings=20 > of today, that make things so simple that students don=E2=80=99t fully=20 > understand what they have achieved. > > Regards > > Mike Bird > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get up to =C2=A3150 by recycling your old mobile - visit > www.tiscali.co.uk/= > recycle > >