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Aucbvax.2917 fa.unix-wizards utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!unix-wizards Wed Sep 2 21:57:50 1981 Unibus problems on Vaxes >From Csk@UCLA-SECURITY Wed Sep 2 19:04:19 1981 One of the messages to this group was about problems with a controller on the 11/750 unibus. It turns out that there are all sorts of strange timing and other weirdnesses that I have heard rumored about on the 11/750 (and some on the 780) which all the plug compatible unibus companies are struggling with. They are quickly discovering that things that worked on 11's, don't work on 11/44s and don't work even worse on 11/780s and 750s.

Does anyone out there know about these weirdnesses and can describe how an 11/750 unibus differs from a normal "DEC standard" unibus as described in dec published documents? At UCLA we will be connecting all kinds of weird stuff to our vaxen (some home brew) and would like to avoid problems if we can.

Here are some of the problems that I have heard about:

1. Unlike DEC's published spec. which claims that a slave device can place data and slave sync on the bus at the same time (the master is supposed to include all delays necessary), apparently on the VAX 11/750 a device had better delay slave sync approx 40 nanoseconds. Dec accomplishes this on all new unibus peripherals by putting an RC delay before the 8881 chip which drives slave sync, (and by using an 8881 rather than an 8640, and the 8881 is a slower chip!).

2. I have heard rumors that many old dec devices don't work for this and other reasons, but have not been able to get the reasons clarified

3. I have heard rumors that a master device had better remove master sync "quickly" after seeing slave sync, which is not required by the dec spec.

Anybody out there know about this stuff?

--charley -------

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